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Taylor Swift’s podcast appearance on New Heights was full of moments that her fans adored. But what revelation was the greatest during the two-hour broadcast? Stylist contributor, Rose Gallagher, shares her thoughts.

Yesterday marked something of a revolutionary Taylor Swift moment. Of all the surprises she’s ever sprung upon us, from hidden messages to surprise double albums, she gave us the biggest scoop of all: a glimpse at the person behind the pop star.

Swift joined her boyfriend, Travis Kelce, and his brother Jason as a guest on their podcast New Heights, marking her first ever podcast appearance. 

Watching live on YouTube last night, Jason’s questions made for a fascinating listen. There is a lot of ground covered on things we’ve not verbally heard her take on yet. They discussed the saga of her losing the rights to and buying back her music. We got a deep dive into the logistics that helped to explain the magnitude of how monumental this was. Swift also spoke at length about her favourite parts of the Eras tour (the Willow fan project was among them, which made me so happy! I, too, took yellow balloons with me to light up with my iPhone torch like an orb for that witchy song). It was truly eye-opening to hear about what went into making her ground-breaking tour.

But, the thing that surprised me the most wasn’t hearing all of this, and it also wasn’t one singular quote or story. What surprised me was the sheer length of the episode – and how it was arguably the first time we’ve ever seen what Swift is like behind her billion-dollar image. We had two hours of no-holds-barred access to Swift and Kelce as a couple, with video footage, endless audio, inside jokes. For someone we know to be fiercely private, Swift gave us a real glimpse into her day-to-day life. You can be the most media-trained and professional person in the game – but sit next to someone you trust for two whole hours, and what you get is a beautiful insight into someone’s life. We couldn’t help but feel the playfulness, the happiness, and the cosy bond between them, and I think we got to see the real Swift.

Don’t get me wrong, there were scoops along the way that made it feel like a traditional interview. There was the shock news that Swift was announcing her new album, The Life Of A Showgirl, right there on the episode. She gave us the entire song list, including a title track that features Sabrina Carpenter, and told us all about its inception between Eras tour dates. 

But the real insight came in the smaller details. Kelce reads the commentary on their relationship online and finds it funny. She doesn’t; she sees her energy as an “expensive” commodity and won’t waste it doing that. The two of them mince about the house making sourdough and she scours online blogs to perfect her craft. 

Travis and Jason are known to be close, and you definitely felt a sense of how connected this whole unit are. Jason asked Swift, “were you aware that I had been told I had to be on best behaviour?” when they first met. We got a further glimpse into their dynamic when Swift was laughing about Jason not knowing what to do with his beer when offered the chance to meet the royal family on the Eras tour. He wanted to keep it, but didn’t want to be inappropriate, and the conundrum sent him into a tailspin. 

It’s easy to see glimpses of Swift’s life – a selfie with Prince William, Princess Charlotte, and Prince George – and think this is a normal day for her. But in reality, alongside preparing a performance for 90,000 people at Wembley, she’s got a brother-in-law having a meltdown about how he’s meant to act when he meets the royals – which is likely what any of the rest of us would likely be doing in that situation. 

If you haven’t had a chance to listen yet, I’d really recommend it. For those who aren’t familiar with her, it’s rare to get this depth of a chat with her, the likes of which we haven’t seen since her Miss Americana documentary – and arguably here, alongside people she feels safe and trustful of – we get an even greater glimpse of who she truly is.

For the fans, it’s lovely to get a glimpse into Swift the person rather than Swift the popstar. I really admire her bravery in showing us this side of her. Though we haven’t had this level of access to her before, we’ve certainly been aware of the highs and lows of her relationships. I remember when the Eras tour setlist changed to accommodate a new album, The Tortured Poets Department, and wondering if The 1 may have been removed because it felt too raw in light of her previous break-up. To have an awareness of how much her fans read into every little detail (like I’m doing right now!) and still put herself on the line to be observed like this? That’s the sign of a true optimist and a true romantic.

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